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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 7-14-2009 at 11:01 AM |
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Has the strike in Toronto gone too far?
Personally, I think that the unions have gone too far on this strike..far enough that the strike has possibly cause the death of a man who waited for
way too long for an ambulance that he died.
link to story is posted below:
EMS
Reponse Time Questioned in Man's death
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 11:18 AM |
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the strike may have caused the guy's unfortunate death, but i dont think that's the root of the problem. i mean, the city had way more than enough
time to avoid the strike all together...talks started early in the year, but the mayor did jack shit. and kept pushing it further and further til the
union snapped.
and now hes still doing jack shit. lol shows how much he gives a shit about toronto ==
thank god i live in richmond hill lol, feel sorry for you toronto ppl xP
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 11:22 AM |
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unions are the death of a country, especially when you spoil them.
they say unions are made to protect workers, but that's bullshit, workers don't need to be protected if they do their work properly.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 11:54 AM |
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some occupation really shouldnt have union... like come on EMS??? wtf, thats emergency unit! its not like a school or something
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 12:39 PM |
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their a bitch and they're ruining everything.
credit goes to aFFiliation for siggy |
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 12:39 PM |
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What is the union fighting for again? Don't they want the ability to have sicks days carry over to the next year??
That's bullshit, that's like planning to be sick...
Canada already has laws to protect workers, it's called labour laws.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 01:55 PM |
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it's kind of funny that most strikes take place in toronto...
i don't think there was any major strike in thornhill, markham, richmond hill... its only toronto.
In a recession like this, the should be happy that they have a job. I'm sure those people who got laid off in the automobile plants would love to
work again.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 02:35 PM |
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i don't know how everything started or what the union was asking for....
if they are asking more money and more benefits, then F off....there are far too many unemployed ppl looking to work at much lower salary....
"I already gave my best, and I have no regrets at all." - William Hung
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 02:48 PM |
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the reason why toronto is broke as shit and is always lobbying the provincial and federal government for more money is bad management (thanks miller)
and crazy ass monopolizing unions that strike every freaking year for more goodies to add into their contracts. fire them all and hire private
contractors, same with the TTC plz.
PS. look at the automakers to see the excellent results that come from overpowered unions.
NERF INC.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 03:57 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eraser_rx
i don't know how everything started or what the union was asking for....
if they are asking more money and more benefits, then F off....there are far too many unemployed ppl looking to work at much lower salary....
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exactly~ why they don't just fire those workers now and hire the ones that acutally want to work like the laid off autoplant workers. I'm sure they
might not like the work environment but hey, its a job, your get paid, why not work.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 04:03 PM |
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i always thought EMS was an essential service and that they arent allowed to strike? and they get certain packages decided by a judge of some sort who
views both parties...
the strike doesnt concern me too much. the only thing is that they used one of the basketball courts that i play on as a dump site. that kinda ticked
me off lol..
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 04:33 PM |
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they are allowed to strike but they choose not to because its an essential service
and the family of the guy that died is full of shit he was prolly gonna die anyways the ems people even said they came within a reasonable time period
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but i still think the strike is dragging on too long too fuking their getting a 7% pay raise and their still not satisfied like wtf greedy
motherfuckers
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 04:43 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vk_
they are allowed to strike but they choose not to because its an essential service
and the family of the guy that died is full of shit he was prolly gonna die anyways the ems people even said they came within a reasonable time period
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but i still think the strike is dragging on too long too fuking their getting a 7% pay raise and their still not satisfied like wtf greedy
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wasn't it 6?
1% this year
2% next year
3% the year after next o.o
thats their offer that i saw awhile ago
but their like askin for 3% every year or some shit
correct me if i'm wrong.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 05:43 PM |
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blame city council; if they cut their cost-of-living pay increases for this year, that would give them the public support and moral authority to
demand the concessions that they want
but instead, only some councillors are "donating" their pay increases to charity (why else, for tax credits). we elect them as civic leaders and
this is the leadership they provide?
union's at fault too ... that sick day bank system should be scrapped (or reduced), but if the councillors keep getting pay increases, so should the
workers.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 06:06 PM |
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason for the strike is that they want their sick/vacation pay to be cumulative over their work period. Meaning
that someone who works for 15 years can claim 15 years of vacation pay when they quit/retire. Again correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that's
what they're striking for. If it is this, i find it completely ridiculous and they should be happy to even have a job. Unions are the reason why
companies go under.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 06:25 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Azn_Demon
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason for the strike is that they want their sick/vacation pay to be cumulative over their work period. Meaning
that someone who works for 15 years can claim 15 years of vacation pay when they quit/retire. Again correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that's
what they're striking for. If it is this, i find it completely ridiculous and they should be happy to even have a job. Unions are the reason why
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the maximum number of bankable sick days is, to my knowledge, 200 or 600. what the city wants to do is stop this stupid bullshit.
they're trying to force people to cash in their sick days or use them up, and for new union members not allow them to bank such a ridiculous amount,
basically they want to scale back the bankable sick days program. the workers are pissed cause the people who have been saving are gonna lose out on
alot of the sick days they've been saving.
i was talking to a friend of mine who is a teacher, he basically saved 400 sick days and right before he retired he took a year off and got paid for
it, then cashed in the rest of his days for $$ when he retired. BS?
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 09:13 PM |
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do doctors get to go on strike lol
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 10:43 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kurogashi
do doctors get to go on strike lol |
they have associations but i don't think they're unionized.
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| posted on 7-14-2009 at 10:43 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vk_
they are allowed to strike but they choose not to because its an essential service
and the family of the guy that died is full of shit he was prolly gonna die anyways the ems people even said they came within a reasonable time period
...
but i still think the strike is dragging on too long too fuking their getting a 7% pay raise and their still not satisfied like wtf greedy
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when was 25 min for a high priority emergency reasonable?
it should have been 9min
the EMS is full of shit
the obvious result would be they blaming the family for not letting them know its a high priority or some shit like that
there's a reason they dun wanna comment on it and shit and 'say' it aint strike related
EVEN if it aint strike related
how is a guy having a heart attack with a gash on his head not high priority and not coming at a 'reasonable' time..
what the FUK was happeningat 11pm at night that there was so much traffic that caused them to come late
i think in TORONTO or any metro city would have shit like this happening
murdered on scene and cannot save the guy
FINE
guy dying and coming to the rescue in over 10min of time...?
wow
what if YOU had a heart attack and u fucking died
them come late and shiet
ur kids gonna be saying, its alright they came at a reasonable time?
bullshiet
and part of the EMS is within the union
but part of them are on contract to become an essential service
thats why those who are working are PISSED OFF
since they wanna strike too but CANT
i just couldnt believe EMS is NOT an essential service
like u have doctors, firefighters and police as essential
but the guy driving the patient to the hospital seems to be FUCKING EXPANDABLE
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| posted on 7-15-2009 at 04:30 AM |
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regarding the EMS being so slow and that guy dying ... i smell a lawsuit coming up ...
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| posted on 7-15-2009 at 08:43 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vk_
they are allowed to strike but they choose not to because its an essential service
and the family of the guy that died is full of shit he was prolly gonna die anyways the ems people even said they came within a reasonable time period
...
but i still think the strike is dragging on too long too fuking their getting a 7% pay raise and their still not satisfied like wtf greedy
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EMS is not considered an essential service in Ontario (insane I know). However the EMS in Toronto have an essential service agreement with the city
stating that during strike times, they must still keep staff levels at 75%.
I can't imagine how you would believe 25 minutes is a reasonable amount of time to respond to a high priority cardiac arrest victim. There is an
ambulance station very close to that address, not 5 minutes away.
This will likely be blown over by the unions and city. The least they could do is perform an autopsy to determine whether EMS could have saved his
life if they had gotten there sooner.
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| posted on 7-15-2009 at 09:12 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by FretPlay
| Quote: | Originally posted by Vk_
they are allowed to strike but they choose not to because its an essential service
and the family of the guy that died is full of shit he was prolly gonna die anyways the ems people even said they came within a reasonable time period
...
but i still think the strike is dragging on too long too fuking their getting a 7% pay raise and their still not satisfied like wtf greedy
motherfuckers |
EMS is not considered an essential service in Ontario (insane I know). However the EMS in Toronto have an essential service agreement with the city
stating that during strike times, they must still keep staff levels at 75%.
I can't imagine how you would believe 25 minutes is a reasonable amount of time to respond to a high priority cardiac arrest victim. There is an
ambulance station very close to that address, not 5 minutes away.
This will likely be blown over by the unions and city. The least they could do is perform an autopsy to determine whether EMS could have saved his
life if they had gotten there sooner. |
agreed
only 75% is there and most of them are pissed off tards who thinks everything aint an emergency by them
most likely there is not gonna be a fair trial or autopsy... even if there is an autopsy, most likely the coroner is gonna rig everything since they
are close to EMS (im assuming, hopefully everything will turn out right and FAIR)
but thats why in my previous post i question how 25 min is considered a reasonable time for a guy having a heart attack
ridiculous? i know...
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| posted on 7-15-2009 at 08:55 PM |
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oh dang, this is bad.
up to now, i thought Toronto only had problems with garbagemen on strike.
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